Which is better, Cloverway's or Dic's treatment of the Dub?
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Neither of them are better in my opinion.
They both dumb down the dialogue.
They both cut racy scenes. Dic would just eliminate the episode
I believe, Cloverway would just cut the scene out; like
when Sailor Uranus transform her self back when she walking back to her
car, you saw her a sailor senshi then she's in her regular clothes. Now
that was a cool scene, but because they couldn't show a white image of barely
noticeable buttocks they cut it out.
WE ALL KNOW THE VA'S JUST DON'T CUT IT!!! I appericate that the companies
mentioned ventured out and brought SM to the states but as far as I'm
concern that just the only good thing they did.
Well they both kind of suck. They kept one Japanese name which I
find very dumb. If they have one Japanese and 8 English, then why not
keep them all English or all Japanese. Dic took out stuff for the
stupidest reasons. Cloverway left in some stuff Dic would have took out,
but the Voice Actresses suck! They both need to get a grip on themselves and get the
act together! I'm going to have to say I like Cloverway better, they put
in the original Japanese music. BUT they DID leave in stuff
that Dic wouldn't have given us if there life depended on it.
DiC was better. Overall, I thought that DiC was a better show than
with Toei. Here are some of the reasons.
1. The original BGM-used in the Toei episodes. The original BGM got on
my nerves back then, and it gets on my nerves now.
2. The new voice actresses- The new Serena is bad. The other new voice
actresses are okay, but they don't have the same character the old ones
have. I just hope that the voice actresses do return.
3. The rather odd names- Some names are okay. Michelle for Michiru is
a great name, but some names don't make any sense. Amara for Haruka?
Trista for Setsuna? What was Toei thinking?
One more note: Allow me to point out that the reason why DiC cut
episodes wasn't because of censorship, but it was because of conventional
syndicated television standards.
I am Canadian, and I have not seen the new episodes yet. I've heard
about what's going on from our American neighbors, I check
Jackie's site occasionally to see if they've messed up my beloved
Mimete. After all, my parody Sailor Moon: International Scout Of
Mystery fortold lots of mess-ups...but not by CWI. By Dic.
So we have a little debate: Dic v.s. CWI. Can we really say which version is
better? After all, it's still technically the same show. Some of the
voice actors are the same (though I think I'm going to MISS Terri
Hawkes) and they kept Serena, Mina, etc. Technically, Dic and CWI
did the same things.
1. Inconsistancies. Lots of them.
2. Censoring of weird things. I don't really care that they rubbed out the body lines
when the girls are transforming. Do you people REALLY want to see
Makoto's bellybutton? Pluto's butt? (Well, the guys would, but
anyway..) I think it was sort of weird they cut out the cat puzzle
daimon's tail being shut in the door. That wasn't violent, having your
finger or something shut in the door happens. It didn't hurt the
daimon, at any rate.
3. Censoring of homosexuality. I'll say that
back in '95 I was only 9 years old. I wasn't even mature enough to
take Serena and Darien's relationship, let alone a homosexual one.
(Zoicite and Kunzite) Making Haruka and Michiru cousins creates the
ecchi "Kissing Cousins" joke, but it kinda explains it....well....no,
it doesn't. My friends shut off their televisions because they
found the two constantly referring to each
other as cousins sickening. What's sad is that we're going to get
more dubbies who are going to flame us saying "YOU STUPID [BEEP
BEEP BEEP BEEP] AMARA AND MICHELLE ARE NOT LESBIANS
OKAY THERE (purposely made gramattical error :P) COUSINS! GO
TO HELL AND [BEEP BEEP BEEP] YOUR MOTHER!" Scary.
Speaking of Amara and Michelle, 4) I was surprised at the name changing.
Usagi to Serena makes sense. (derived from Serenity.) Mamoru to
Darien made sense. (In the Endymion poem, the mountain Endymion
climbs was called Darien.) Ami to Amy...well, that was pretty close.
Rei to Raye was close too. But nothing annoys me more than people
talking about the Dic dub and for some reason Ami and Rei are in it.
Makoto to Lita. Leda is one of Jupiter's moons. I prefer Lita to
Maggie any day. Minako to Mina. No real changes there. Amara was
a WEIRD change. I'll probably get used to it, but for the longest
time, my favourite senshi has always been Haruka Tenoh, not Amara
Tay-no. I'm not sure if it was better than Corrine or not. Corrine
sounds a little bit masculine. Michiru to Michelle Kay-oh ^^;; was not
surprising, was it? Nerissa was a bit weird, but I recall a t.v. series
about a girl called Neri who was a mermaid or something. Setsuna to
Trista May-oh was okay. In Spanish trista means sad. Hotaru Tomoe
became....Hotaru Tomoh. Mispronounced, obviously, but still the same
I'll say that neither of the dubs are better, but rather the same.
I still like the Dic dub, cheesy as
is, and when CWI comes to Canada, I'll welcome it with open arms.
Personally, I think that the new dub is much better than DiC's previous
version. It still has several mistakes, but at least they kept the
It also appears that Michiru and Haruka are still ... lesbians, even
it's clearly stated that they are "cousins." I find this very amusing,
cousins with a homosexual relationship. The new voices are terrible,
especially Serena's. Her voice actress is trying too hard to sound
previous one, and the results are terrible, in my opinion. Rini's
adorable, though. This doesn't ruin anything for me, I'm just pleased
they bothered to dub the SMS season at all. Best of all ... no Sailor
- Jenna L.
I personally don't like either of the dubs, but both of them have their
and bad points. Cloverway made Michiru and Haruka cousins.
I don't like how half of the time they make it
"Uranus World Shaking" and the other half "World Shaking" Atleast Dic
with one of them. I know that the b/g music is the original one, but I
it annoying. I perfer the Dic one. Dic also made some dumb mistakes in
dubbing of the series in which I really don't want to get into. I think
the whole dubbing of Sailormoon is screwed and really messed up.
For some reason, I believe that both were fairly adequate. DiC simply started
off better than some series, however, Cwi decided to leave where DiC dropped off.
DiC didn't start on episode # whatever for the first episode. *coughcardcaptorscough*
Another good thing about DiC was that they actually took it upon themselves to create
new songs for their series. Sure, the "Sailor Moon Theme" was horrible, but some of the
other songs were actually pretty good (Carry On, The Power of Love, Rainy Day Man). Sure,
the background music was simply horrendous, but they at least had the creativity to make a
new soundtrack for it. Cwi simply took up the job of DiC, and is frankly, doing worse.
They may not be cutting episodes, but some of the episodes were never meant to be dubbed
if Uranus and Neptune were "cousins." Plus, some of the scenes they didn't cut out, looked
too friendly just to be "cousins." They still use "scouts" and things, but that's only
because they were taking over DiC's already bad job. If they had remained consistent, it
might have been better. I'm not going to rant about the VAs. Cwi is most likely NOT going
to rewrite songs or even make new songs. (I've heard from a friend that they rewrote Ai no
Senshi, however, I have yet to confirm this) In short, I believe that Cwi is doing a worse
job than DiC, going against the flow of people who believe otherwise.
It's just AS bad, if not worse, because despite their leaving in the
original music and such...
....it's still a sucky dub. Cousins and pure hearts and "Tomos", oh my!
I like the new dub better. Here's why: They're keeping the original music.
They're keeping the new attacks' names similar. They're keeping a lot of the side
characters' names. So far I think all of the Daimons have the same name. So far
they have not cut out any episodes or spliced two or three together. They're not
keeping Negaverse, instead it's The Bureau of Bad Behavior. I think the new name is
worse, but at least they're not saying all the villains are from the same place as usual.
'Cousins' doesn't really bother me because I knew that would be changed. At least they're
not sisters. All the other changes are minor.
The only parts I don't like are the timeline inconsistencies. In the new dub they're
saying the enemy started its attack back in the Silver Millennium. So the Silence has
been approaching for over 1,000 years? Pluto also said that they (Uranus, Neptune, and
Pluto) are from the future. A future where the Silence has already destroyed the world.
Then in another episode Pluto referred to the future as the Silver Millennium. So now the
past is the Silver Millennium and the future is the Silver Millenium? Strange...
They changed Meshia to The Ambassador of Good. (Ack!) But, then in the next episode they
changed it to The Legendary Princess. Kind of weird but much better than Ambassador of Good.
All in all they're doing about the same, but I think Cloverway is just a little bit better
because they're making less changes than DiC.
Well, what I think is that Cloverway did faaar much better. They kept
the Original music and it was more closer to the Original the DiC was. DiC
took Sailor Moon and made into some teeny bopper, valley girl slang, cartoon
show. While Cloverway doesn't have them say things like "wicked kewl" or "da
bomb". (Even though there was one scene in a recent S dubbed episode were Rini
comes up to the girls and says :" Hey, girlfriends!") I feel like I was
watching a real dub instead of DiC's adaptation.
- Sailor Saturngirl
Last updated: July 19th, 2000